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Re: A new debate
« Reply #15 on Feb 13, 2006, 2:01am »

I do indeed. There isn't much about this whole topic (and more) that I am unfamiliar with or hard pressed to know the answer to.

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Re: A new debate
« Reply #16 on May 10, 2006, 9:45am »

Making you a formidable opponent for anyone who contradicts creation

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Re: A new debate
« Reply #17 on May 11, 2006, 8:21am »

^ sure looks like it. I, for one, am certain that the creation account given in Genesis is accurate. God can do anything, so who says He couldn't just make all the various types of creatures appear in an instant? I do belive microevolution has since taken place (especially since the Flood), but it has always been and always will be within the same type of animals. Macroevolution is simply impossible because of the sheer complexity of cells and the enormous amounts of mutations that would have to take place AT THE SAME TIME for the leap from one species to another to take place. I don't know if anyone's ever done the math, but I don't think you'd need to to see that the chances of that happening are basically zero. (Ironically enough, the class that convinced me of this - molecular biology - was taught by a die-hard evolutionist)

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Re: A new debate
« Reply #18 on May 13, 2006, 10:54am »

I don't belive in anything with the words evolve, evolution, etc. in it

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Re: A new debate
« Reply #19 on May 14, 2006, 1:29am »

Various people have done the math to the probability of one simple cell forming. Here is one snippet. There are others which I will post later.

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The evolutionist might react by saying that even though any one such mutating organism might not be successful, surely some around the world would be, especially in the 10 billion years (or 1018 seconds) of assumed earth history. Therefore, let us imagine that every one of the earth's 1014 square feet of surface harbors a billion (i.e., 109) mutating systems and that each mutation requires one-half second (actually it would take far more time than this). Each system can thus go through its 200 mutations in 100 seconds and then, if it is unsuccessful, start over for a new try. In 1018 seconds, there can, therefore, be 1018/102, or 1016, trials by each mutating system. Multiplying all these numbers together, there would be a total possible number of attempts to develop a 200-component system equal to 1014 (109) (1016), or 1039 attempts. Since the probability against the success of any one of them is 1060, it is obvious that the probability that just one of these 1039 attempts might be successful is only one out of 1060/1039, or 1021.

All this means that the chance that any kind of a 200-component integrated functioning organism could be developed by mutation and natural selection just once, anywhere in the world, in all the assumed expanse of geologic time, is less than one chance out of a billion trillion. What possible conclusion, therefore, can we derive from such considerations as this except that evolution by mutation and natural selection is mathematically and logically indefensible!

And Jdub, Micro Evolution occurs. It is adaptation. It happens all the time. Speciation also occurs. We have various species of the canine family. Yet they can interbreed (ex. Dogs and wolves can interbreed), which contradicts the very definition of species.

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